The INVINCIBLE CROCK is the NEW version of the TURN & BURN PROTECTOR! If you want the Felt version put in in the comments section when ordering or email Len. WE ARE SPENDING EXTRA to make a PAD THAT LOOKS GREAT for Years, PERFORMS, and is easier to keep clean than the LINER PADS. The patented system uses 3" of EXTENSION at front of your saddle to PROTECT the SHOULDERS. The Short Turn & Burn is only 27" at top center & 29" at the wear leather & 32" wide. It is great for 23" & shorter saddles. If your saddle is longer, the Turn & Burn is available in a 29/31 size for 24 & up to 25" square skirted Barrel Saddles. A 3mm Felt Liner Pad is included with the Turn N Burn. The TURN & BURN with the $30 FLEECE OPTION NOW HAS THE FLEECE PUT ON a 1/8" Felt LINER PAD . This Liner is glued & sewn together like a 2nd saddle pad with a Marine Vinyl center re-enforcement, It lets you have your fleece and not have to wash the PROTECTOR! The fleece option makes a thick pad, I don't recommend for the round backs. Call Len with any questions , 816 806 4742