The PROTECTOR "the only patented Weight distributing system in a Pad"! It NEEDS 3" of EXTENSION at front saddle to PROTECT the SHOULDERS! The Turn & Burn is only 27" at top center & 29" at the wear leather & 32" wide. It is great for 23" & shorter saddles. If your saddle is longer, the Turn & Burn is available in a 29/31 size for 24 & up to 25" square skirted Barrel Saddles. Check out my F/B page: "Barrel Racing to Win" for videos & personal experiences using Len's products. A 4mm Felt Liner Pad is included with the Turn N Burn. The TURN & BURN with the $30 FLEECE OPTION NOW HAS THE FLEECE PUT ON a 1/8" Felt LINER PAD Since it is against the horse it will break in reasonably quick. This Liner is glued & sewn together like a 2nd saddle pad with a Marine Vinyl center re-enforcement strip. With the FLEECE option the PROTECTOR IS MADE THINNER. It lets you have your fleece and wash it easily too! Call Len with any questions , 816 806 4742