The Baroque Dressage saddle is only 13 lbs. & short. The close contact & complex shape for Horse & rider is made in the bars and is not limited to the simple shapes of stuffed panels. Protector pad comes with saddle. The Flap is all that's between you and your horse & holds the saddle front to rear. A concept I started 33 years ago. The Natural saddle has western rigging like my Patriot. The Black saddle has the English billet rigging. Both have adjustable front to rear features. Stirrup leathers are 1" or 2.5", your choice. THIS 50% deposit STARTS THE BUILD on your saddle. Call Len 816 806 4742 to finish your order & details on saddle. Border tooling is standard, carving is extra.